{"id":77,"date":"2010-07-08T21:21:00","date_gmt":"2010-07-08T21:21:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.agu.org\/landslideblog\/2010\/07\/08\/can-attabad-fail\/"},"modified":"2010-10-21T13:35:20","modified_gmt":"2010-10-21T17:35:20","slug":"can-attabad-fail","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.agu.org\/landslideblog\/2010\/07\/08\/can-attabad-fail\/","title":{"rendered":"Can Attabad fail?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A number of commenters here have suggested that the structure of the dam is such that it cannot now fail due to the presence of the large boulders.&nbsp; So I thought I&#8217;d write a short post exploring whether this is actually the case.&nbsp; I believe that it can still fail, and indeed that eventually it probably will, but I have no idea as to the likely time-frame.&nbsp; The reasons that I believe that a failure is still highly possible are as follows:<br \/><b><br \/><\/b><br \/><b>1. This is a landscape littered with large landslide scars<\/b><br \/>In the Attabad area alone Shroder (1998) identified six previous very large landslides:<\/p>\n<div style='font-family: \"Trebuchet MS\",sans-serif'><span style=\"font-size: small\">&#8220;<\/span><span style=\"font-size: small\">Multiple overlapping rockslides have repeatedly thundered into the Hunza River near Atabad, several with serious and destructive consequences. The six slope failures of interest here are: (1) older Serat rockslide; (2) younger Seratrockslide; (3) Ghammessar slope failure and lake; (4) Ghammessar breakout flood and retrogressive slump failure; (5) 1962 Ghammessar rockslide and lake; and (6) 1991 Sulmanabad rockfall.&#8221;<\/span><\/div>\n<p>Both upstream and downstream this pattern is repeated &#8211; there are literally hundreds of large rockslide scars in this landscape, many of which will have blocked the valley in a similar way to Attabad.<\/p>\n<p>So how many landslide dams are left?&nbsp; There are fragments and remains of them in many locations, but there are very few intact landslide dams.&nbsp; This suggests that most such valley blockages eventually fail, although not necessarily rapidly.&nbsp; There are no real grounds at this stage to assume that the dam at Attabad is exceptional.<\/p>\n<p><b>2. We are still some way from peak flow<\/b><br \/>The <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.agu.org\/wp-content\/scripts\/daveslandslideblog.blogspot.com.bouncer.php\/daveslandslideblog.blogspot.com\/2010\/06\/river-flows-at-attabad.html\">data from David Archer that I presented in an earlier post<\/a> suggests that we are probably three weeks or so from the peak flow, which may well be 30-50% greater than at present.&nbsp; Whilst there are grounds for optimism that the structure may survive such flows, it is far from certain that this will be the case.<\/p>\n<p><b>3. Landslides into the lake are a real threat<\/b><br \/>Landslides continue to occur on the walls of the valley.&nbsp; A large slide still has the potential to create a wave that could trigger a rapid collapse.&nbsp; This threat has not diminished.&nbsp; We believe that this was the failure mode for the 1858 landslide dam just downstream at Salmanabad.&nbsp; There is a need for proper assessment of this threat before one could sound the all-clear.&nbsp; I hope that NDMA are on the case.<\/p>\n<p><b>4. The dam is still losing volume<\/b><br \/>Images of the downstream area of the river show that the water is still carrying a substantial amount of sediment, as this <a href=\"http:\/\/pamirtimes.net\/2010\/06\/28\/deadline-given-by-protesters-for-excavation-of-the-spillway-ends-today\/\">Pamir Times image from a week or so ago<\/a> shows:<\/p>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.agu.org\/landslideblog\/files\/2010\/10\/10_07-attabad-downstream.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" height=\"480\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.agu.org\/landslideblog\/files\/2010\/10\/10_07-attabad-downstream.jpg\" width=\"640\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<p>The loss of volume implies that the dam is weakening with time, but it is not clear how fast or where.&nbsp; Nonetheless, until this ceases the potential for failure remains.<\/p>\n<p><b>5. This is a river with GLOFs<\/b><br \/>GLOFs are glacial lake outburst floods, which are flash floods created by the collapse of lakes dammed by glaciers or moraines high in the mountains.&nbsp; GLOFs create short duration, very large magnitude floods.&nbsp; The Hunza suffers GLOFs on a regular basis.&nbsp; Such an event would lead to a greatly increased flow rate over the spillway, threatening its stability.<br \/><b><br \/><\/b><br \/><b>6. Earthquakes<\/b><br \/>This is an area of high seismic hazard.&nbsp; A substantial earthquake would threaten the dam in a number of ways.&nbsp; First, the dam itself could undergo slope failure and collapse.&nbsp; Second, the earthquake could create a seiche (standing waves) in the lake that could overtop the dam, inducing failure.&nbsp; Third, an earthquake could trigger further slope failures into the lake, causing waves.&nbsp; The likelihood of an earthquake is low, but the consequences could be very serious.<\/p>\n<p>Please do not believe that the boulders rule out the possibility of the release of the lake.&nbsp; This is not the case, despite their size.&nbsp; If the flow velocity and volume is sufficiently high then this dam can still fail.&nbsp; Unfortunately it is impossible to say when and how this might occur, or how rapidly such an event might develop.&nbsp; The chances of a very rapid failure are comparatively low, but are not negligible by any means<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, <a href=\"http:\/\/ndma.gov.pk\/Documents\/Hunza_Landslide_2010\/One%20Pager%2008%20July.doc\">NDMA reported<\/a> that the lake level rose 2 inches (5 cm) yesterday, although it does appear to have fallen the day before (the link on the NDMA website to the report yesterday is dead).&nbsp; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.samaa.tv\/News22443-Hapless_Ataabad_victims_await_help.aspx\">Local people are reportedly protesting<\/a> about government action and the limited amount of compensation by camping close to the dam.<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately though the flow of information from the site remains very limited.<br \/><b><br \/><\/b><br \/><b>Reference<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Shroder J.F. 1998. 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